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T O P I C R E V I E Wwhitewitch111I'm really curious, I notice a lot in it1. His vertex conjunct her Neptune by 0 degrees2. His amor conjunct Her AC3. His Juno conjunct her DC4. His north node conjunct her vertex 5. His Pluto conjunct her sun/moon conjunction6. Her anti-vertex conjunct his Venus 7. Her Isis conjunct his MC8. Her Venus/Jupiter/ north node conjunct his ICI think if nothing else this is a powerful relationship to shake things up for them bothA little by about them:They go through intense periods of hating each other then loving each other. He's often very elusive with her, but when she looks into his eyes, she can see vulnerability and caring for her.They both claim one used the other, When they have sex they come together like magnets, and they tell each other, they are the best sexual partners either haveThey are an age differenceShe is white, he is Mexican.They both struggle with anxiety and he shares things with her he doesn't share with anyone else. They have both felt kundalini around each otherThey dream of each other.So far though, he refused to admit anything, although she does, and becomes very hurt when he rejects her..What do you all think? AubyanneI would say it's very doubtful. With the latest research being done regarding twin flames, a lot is being thrown out, as it can just as easily be a 'false twin' or, more truthfully, a deeply invested karmic partner for which the attraction must be intense to resolve the outstanding debts in the relationship. So, a lot of what we thought was a 'dead giveaway' can actually be a very clever 'disguise', if you will, and denote very old soulmates with deeply embedded karma. But not twins. That's a different animal.I would personally be wary, however. The vacillation of love and hate is not a twin flame connexion. Nor is the rejection pattern. That's more the purview of karmic partners. Also, this:He's often very elusive with her, but when she looks into his eyes, she can see vulnerability and caring for her.They both claim one used the other.The first statement is subjective; unless he's honest with her, she can't know. And if he isn't honest with her, that's a huge red flag. The second statement is a total no-fly zone for twins. It's a relationship based in authenticity, respect, and appreciation. There are no emotional games. Period. That's not to say one might not lash out at the other, but there's usually a level of evolution and degree of emotional maturity which makes the likelihood very slim. AubyanneA bit about the astrology:I agree with AMOR conjunct ASC and JUNO on IC, but VERTICES conjunct NODES seems really wide to me. I keep that to asteroid orbs (3°) if not less. whitewitch111Ok, thank you! AubyanneNo worries. Not to be a downer, but the majority of mind-blowing, impassioned, romantic relationships will be between soulmates rather than twin flames. It can certainly happen, of course, but I immediately call into question any potential twin flame relationship that involves manipulation, emotional game-playing, abuse of any kind, and, believe it or not -- rejection. In my experience (limited as it is), twin flames never actually reject each other. They may act in accordance with ego over spirit, or their heart's longing, which can lead to pain and sadness, but there's never outright rejection. Instead, I've noticed a kind of powerful -- even exceptional 'love at first sight' phenomenon. This isn't based in physical attraction, either. In fact, sexual attraction can really muddy the waters. So, if have to say the greatest thing that sets twins apart from soulmates, I'd say it's the unfailing, honest, genuine love. No games. Which means less conflict and 'passion' -- but, hey. I think it may be a trade-off. NYCdodgerTwin flame unions are beyond synastry in my opinion. Maybe a soulmate can be seen, but twin flames are something elseAubyanne quote:Originally posted by NYCdodger:Twin flame unions are beyond synastry in my opinion. Maybe a soulmate can be seen, but twin flames are something else I think it can be seen, but it must ALL be taken into consideration. It is never JUST seen in the astrology, though, I agree entirely.whitewitch111Thank you all so much! hypatia238 quote:Originally posted by Aubyanne:No worries. Not to be a downer, but the majority of mind-blowing, impassioned, romantic relationships will be between soulmates rather than twin flames. It can certainly happen, of course, but I immediately call into question any potential twin flame relationship that involves manipulation, emotional game-playing, abuse of any kind, and, believe it or not -- rejection. In my experience (limited as it is), twin flames never actually reject each other. They may act in accordance with ego over spirit, or their heart's longing, which can lead to pain and sadness, but there's never outright rejection. Instead, I've noticed a kind of powerful -- even exceptional 'love at first sight' phenomenon. This isn't based in physical attraction, either. In fact, sexual attraction can really muddy the waters. So, if have to say the greatest thing that sets twins apart from soulmates, I'd say it's the unfailing, honest, genuine love. No games. Which means less conflict and 'passion' -- but, hey. I think it may be a trade-off. That sounds like my aqua FRIEND(ex lover) and I. In light of everything you said that guy you think is your TF do you still feel that way? or do you know think he was a good imitation near TF? whitewitch111Yes, I asked the universe to send me signs, and it had been heavily...Aubyanne quote:Originally posted by whitewitch111:Yes, I asked the universe to send me signs, and it had been heavily...To be honest, I'm very curious as to why you believe this man is your twin flame. Could you explain these signs? Or give a history? Some of what I've read seems ... well ... he doesn't seem very evolved.Incidentally, I used to ask the Universe to send me signs, too, which I would receive almost immediately, and for a few days after. It was enough to convince me for quite awhile. I was flabbergasted, frankly, to discover the truth of his being a very complex karmic partner.whitewitch111Well... As I said, I asked the universe for signs, and I keep seeing numbers that add up to 11.He is a Leo AC, and the day he rejected me, I sat outside of macdonalds I discovered an old tattered, abandoned book, whose tital was "The Lion"Also the way he looks at me, I can tell.We both have high anxiety and major depression, we constantly go back and forth, when I don't want him, he wants me, vice versa...Also he's pushed me to grow up a little bit. Like my life has improved because i wanted to prove to him and myself I could be mature. We have both felt kundalini in each other's presence, and he told me, I have a way of comforting and healing him like no one else does.whitewitch111We can read each other, we see into each other and pick up on each other's emotions quite easily.whitewitch111The sex between us is very powerful as wellwhitewitch111Also weird things happen, like I'll be thinking of him, listening to music, and the song will suddenly stop, and on the day I figured out he was, I was in my kitchen and a napkin started blowing.There were other napkins around, but this one was the only one.And also before, when I thought my current BF was my twin, I did a twin Flame meditation, and heard the name "Lionel" (Leo AC) I think this is his higher self's namewhitewitch111We're complete opposites, he's an ex gangster and I'm a free spirited hippie, He's ultra aggressive, and I'm ultra emotional. But yet we keep coming back to each other. He used to make me feel like **** , and I've freaked out on him in front of his kids, yet he still keeps coming back to me. AubyanneBut ... that's all very soulmate-related. Especially karmic-partners. Why do you specifically think you're twin flames? I haven't seen anything uniquely related to twin flames in this yet. I appreciate your sharing all of this with me. And, really, I'm just trying to understand. As one who is a confirmed twin flame (by a few trusted authorities) I'm cautiously optimistic about the subject, but also appropriately sceptical. whitewitch111Well it resonated with everything I've ever read on them Aubyanne quote:Originally posted by whitewitch111:Well it resonated with everything I've ever read on them A lot of that is misinformation, and truly belongs in the soulmates-and-karmic-partners category. Thus far what you've stated is akin to certain powerful soulmate relationships I've had. Did you meet in dreams years before? Or have visions of him long before you ever met? To where he was a kind of ... how to put this -- a kind of psychological archetype in your life? Something that felt very familiar to you by the time you actually met him?And, when you met, did he fit that archetype so completely, you still have a difficult time believing it?whitewitch111No, it was really only when we came together, but I noticed myself getting jealous at the women he brought to his place long before I had the attraction towards him...Aubyanne quote:Originally posted by whitewitch111:No, it was really only when we came together, but I noticed myself getting jealous at the women he brought to his place long before I had the attraction towards him...I'm not sure what jealousy has to do with it. Could you explain?
1. His vertex conjunct her Neptune by 0 degrees2. His amor conjunct Her AC3. His Juno conjunct her DC4. His north node conjunct her vertex 5. His Pluto conjunct her sun/moon conjunction6. Her anti-vertex conjunct his Venus 7. Her Isis conjunct his MC8. Her Venus/Jupiter/ north node conjunct his IC
I think if nothing else this is a powerful relationship to shake things up for them both
A little by about them:They go through intense periods of hating each other then loving each other. He's often very elusive with her, but when she looks into his eyes, she can see vulnerability and caring for her.They both claim one used the other, When they have sex they come together like magnets, and they tell each other, they are the best sexual partners either haveThey are an age differenceShe is white, he is Mexican.They both struggle with anxiety and he shares things with her he doesn't share with anyone else. They have both felt kundalini around each otherThey dream of each other.So far though, he refused to admit anything, although she does, and becomes very hurt when he rejects her..
What do you all think?
With the latest research being done regarding twin flames, a lot is being thrown out, as it can just as easily be a 'false twin' or, more truthfully, a deeply invested karmic partner for which the attraction must be intense to resolve the outstanding debts in the relationship. So, a lot of what we thought was a 'dead giveaway' can actually be a very clever 'disguise', if you will, and denote very old soulmates with deeply embedded karma. But not twins. That's a different animal.
I would personally be wary, however. The vacillation of love and hate is not a twin flame connexion. Nor is the rejection pattern. That's more the purview of karmic partners.
Also, this:
He's often very elusive with her, but when she looks into his eyes, she can see vulnerability and caring for her.They both claim one used the other.
The first statement is subjective; unless he's honest with her, she can't know. And if he isn't honest with her, that's a huge red flag. The second statement is a total no-fly zone for twins. It's a relationship based in authenticity, respect, and appreciation. There are no emotional games. Period. That's not to say one might not lash out at the other, but there's usually a level of evolution and degree of emotional maturity which makes the likelihood very slim.
I agree with AMOR conjunct ASC and JUNO on IC, but VERTICES conjunct NODES seems really wide to me. I keep that to asteroid orbs (3°) if not less.
It can certainly happen, of course, but I immediately call into question any potential twin flame relationship that involves manipulation, emotional game-playing, abuse of any kind, and, believe it or not -- rejection. In my experience (limited as it is), twin flames never actually reject each other. They may act in accordance with ego over spirit, or their heart's longing, which can lead to pain and sadness, but there's never outright rejection. Instead, I've noticed a kind of powerful -- even exceptional 'love at first sight' phenomenon. This isn't based in physical attraction, either. In fact, sexual attraction can really muddy the waters.
So, if have to say the greatest thing that sets twins apart from soulmates, I'd say it's the unfailing, honest, genuine love. No games. Which means less conflict and 'passion' -- but, hey. I think it may be a trade-off.
quote:Originally posted by NYCdodger:Twin flame unions are beyond synastry in my opinion. Maybe a soulmate can be seen, but twin flames are something else
I think it can be seen, but it must ALL be taken into consideration. It is never JUST seen in the astrology, though, I agree entirely.
quote:Originally posted by Aubyanne:No worries. Not to be a downer, but the majority of mind-blowing, impassioned, romantic relationships will be between soulmates rather than twin flames. It can certainly happen, of course, but I immediately call into question any potential twin flame relationship that involves manipulation, emotional game-playing, abuse of any kind, and, believe it or not -- rejection. In my experience (limited as it is), twin flames never actually reject each other. They may act in accordance with ego over spirit, or their heart's longing, which can lead to pain and sadness, but there's never outright rejection. Instead, I've noticed a kind of powerful -- even exceptional 'love at first sight' phenomenon. This isn't based in physical attraction, either. In fact, sexual attraction can really muddy the waters. So, if have to say the greatest thing that sets twins apart from soulmates, I'd say it's the unfailing, honest, genuine love. No games. Which means less conflict and 'passion' -- but, hey. I think it may be a trade-off.
That sounds like my aqua FRIEND(ex lover) and I. In light of everything you said that guy you think is your TF do you still feel that way? or do you know think he was a good imitation near TF?
quote:Originally posted by whitewitch111:Yes, I asked the universe to send me signs, and it had been heavily...
To be honest, I'm very curious as to why you believe this man is your twin flame. Could you explain these signs? Or give a history? Some of what I've read seems ... well ... he doesn't seem very evolved.
Incidentally, I used to ask the Universe to send me signs, too, which I would receive almost immediately, and for a few days after. It was enough to convince me for quite awhile. I was flabbergasted, frankly, to discover the truth of his being a very complex karmic partner.
Also the way he looks at me, I can tell.We both have high anxiety and major depression, we constantly go back and forth, when I don't want him, he wants me, vice versa...Also he's pushed me to grow up a little bit. Like my life has improved because i wanted to prove to him and myself I could be mature. We have both felt kundalini in each other's presence, and he told me, I have a way of comforting and healing him like no one else does.
And also before, when I thought my current BF was my twin, I did a twin Flame meditation, and heard the name "Lionel" (Leo AC) I think this is his higher self's name
I appreciate your sharing all of this with me. And, really, I'm just trying to understand. As one who is a confirmed twin flame (by a few trusted authorities) I'm cautiously optimistic about the subject, but also appropriately sceptical.
quote:Originally posted by whitewitch111:Well it resonated with everything I've ever read on them
A lot of that is misinformation, and truly belongs in the soulmates-and-karmic-partners category. Thus far what you've stated is akin to certain powerful soulmate relationships I've had.
Did you meet in dreams years before? Or have visions of him long before you ever met? To where he was a kind of ... how to put this -- a kind of psychological archetype in your life? Something that felt very familiar to you by the time you actually met him?
And, when you met, did he fit that archetype so completely, you still have a difficult time believing it?
quote:Originally posted by whitewitch111:No, it was really only when we came together, but I noticed myself getting jealous at the women he brought to his place long before I had the attraction towards him...
I'm not sure what jealousy has to do with it. Could you explain?
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